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Post by FDBD on Mar 2, 2003 20:34:40 GMT -5
Has Cincy ever though of doing mutual aid with other departments from the other side of the river?
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JERAIS
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Post by JERAIS on Mar 2, 2003 21:42:48 GMT -5
The only Mutual Aid response for across the river that I know of is to the Greater Cincinnati airport. However, due to the river itself belonging to both of us...at least a small bit of offshore Ohio side to us.....we do work closely on the water together. Of course, this is true more often in the warm weather. When you consider the numerous agencies that border the river's shore (especially Ky.) they tend to have enough help anyway from Ky. communities. Any more than that and CFD could easily be stretched too thin. We have responses (MA) with any number of Hamilton County dept.'s already.
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Post by afp on Mar 2, 2003 23:06:12 GMT -5
What level of mutual aid would Cincinnati provide to CVG?
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JERAIS
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Post by JERAIS on Mar 3, 2003 6:26:00 GMT -5
Keeping in mind that it isn't automatic, I would imagine that CFD would only be called upon in a mass casualty situation. And, in that sense merely provide whatever is requested. Advanced Medical Units, Basic Medical Units, perhaps an Engine or two, perhaps Heavy Rescue? I am sure in a mass casualty incident the airport would be getting some things from many locations.
I do know for sure our dispatchers will dispatch the responding equipment by use of a 'particular code', thus letting us know it is the airport.
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Post by ohiovolffemtp on Mar 4, 2003 10:46:55 GMT -5
Can anyone give some information on how CFD uses mutual aid? It's been 12 years since I ran in Hamilton co, but I remember at the big chemical factory fire at the corner of Dana & Montgomery, all mutual aid was a series of special calls, except for Norwood, who was dispatched at the beginning of the fire because part of the plant was theirs.
Does CFD have any mutual aid co's on the 1st alarm? Or, how many alarms do different boxes have to go before CFD calls in MA from other depts? I would think that depts. that border Cincy like Dehli, Green, Springfield, and Anderson Twps. would be closer in some circumstances than 2nd alarm CFD co's.
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Post by George Bredestege on Mar 6, 2003 22:56:53 GMT -5
In the six and half years that I have been on the CFD, the only time I can recall CFD asking for mutual aid was when we were out of rescue units (paramedic transports) or needed one bad and ours were too far out. Don't know of a call for mutual aid on a fire ever in that time period.
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Post by RichSuburbFF on Mar 7, 2003 0:04:43 GMT -5
Supposedly Delhi Township has worked out a sort of mutual aid agreement with Engine 50. Word has it that Delhi Engine 30 has a city radio and that when the 50's are out of the district, they can call Delhi on the radio, which is being monitored, for assistance. This is mostly for EMS response, but they can also do the same for fire. The inverse is also true, in that Delhi's High Band radios have the ability to communicate with the fire cities fire tower and they have a city fire tactical channel. This is what I have heard from a part-timer at Delhi...so if someone can shed some light on the subject
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JERAIS
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Post by JERAIS on Mar 7, 2003 20:02:30 GMT -5
Actually it isn't too uncommon for CFD to be used by some of the bordering communities for fires. I made a house fire in Cheviot last year with a full compliment of CFD (1 alarm dispatch). This was unusual as Cheviot had an engine on scene but, whatever the reason they had no back up. They requested CFD be sent. Also, on the west side, CFD will occasionally work with Delhi. This too has occured as I recall within the last couple years. Also at Delhi's request from the scene. With all of the areas where Cincinnati borders other communities, many streets are partially in or out. At times, some may have houses on one side or the other in the City. It has happened where a fire on one of those streets is called in and CFD will respond only to find it is actually out of the City. Of course the responding CFD equipment will go to work at any such run and notify dispatch to inform the proper authorities. Usually when this has happened, the other community chiefs have requested CFD to stay with them. I don't believe anything official for or against MA by Cincinnati is written but, it is understood that if needed we will respond. The trouble I think is two fold for CFD to be used commonly for MA. Other communities (surrounding Cincinnati) are limited in personnel and equipment and use MA as a common means. CFD also uses specialized things such as Cincinnati 'special thread' on apparatus and hose. These things in the past prohibited CFD from being used commonly as MA. CFD also couldn't effectively provide adequate response to the City residents if they were in MA agreements with so many surrounding communities. George is right about the Medics. It is more common for an agreed upon MA of medic units. At least with Anderson Township and Delhi. This works well for both since they share so many common streets and are areas of the City that are separated from possibly close units ( Mt. Washington and Saylor Park ). I have seen CFD used in other communities actually quite a few times, but it is not as a result of an MA agreement. It is generally from how it was called in and to whom, in bordering areas Hope this clears it up..
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Post by afp on Mar 7, 2003 20:17:08 GMT -5
I've only seen CFD respond once to mutual aid. Back when the tornados hit Montgomery a few years back I was behind a TDA and the light plant going Eastbound on Cross County Highway. This took place late in the afternoon as I was heading home from work.
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JERAIS
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Post by JERAIS on Mar 7, 2003 21:50:05 GMT -5
I can assure you I myself have responded, and been on duty a number of times when it was done with other companies. All this in the last few years since the tornado you speak of.
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Post by Gregg on Mar 9, 2003 14:52:33 GMT -5
I can also confirm CFD mutual aid responses into the suburbs within the past few years.
I have been to a fire in Delhi in which CFD sent 2 engines & 2 trucks on lower Cleves Warsaw fairly close to Saylor Park. It was a long lay & they had a water problem. This was prior to the opening of Delhi Station 30.
I can also remember hearing some mutual aid fire responses into Anderson. As well as all of the river runs & 14B runs all over the tri-state.
I remember the 52's going to Pendleton Co. for a technical rescue and I was at a trench rescue in Green Twp. when the 52's responded there.
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Post by Box_2565 on Mar 9, 2003 16:46:02 GMT -5
Cincinnati worked a fire a couple of months ago on Colerain Avenue in Green Township. A box was struck for the run which turned out to be in Green Township. Since G.T.F.D. was on the scene the companies were disregarded.
Engine 51 and District 3 were asked to stand by. Eventually additional companies were needed and Engine and Truck 20 were dispatched.
C.F.D. has rarely responded into Kentucky for actual fires. I do recall once in the 1970's that companies were requested and worked a building fire in Covington as Covington F.D. had a couple of workers in at the same time.
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Post by Box_2565 on Apr 10, 2003 6:56:52 GMT -5
C.F.D. had Truck 31, Squad 52, and District 4 in Norwood a week or so ago when that woman was pinned in the elevator. The response may have been more from Cincinnati, those were just the companies that I heard on the air.
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