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Tillers
Jan 11, 2002 23:46:38 GMT -5
Post by Box_2565 on Jan 11, 2002 23:46:38 GMT -5
O.K., now that all the truck companies are operating with rear mount aerials, has there been any consideration to switching back to tillers for a few of the ladders?
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Tillers
Mar 26, 2002 18:23:44 GMT -5
Post by tony66@fuse.net on Mar 26, 2002 18:23:44 GMT -5
Along those lines,why doesn't CFD go back to using Seagrave apparatus. If FDNY uses them why don't we? I do remember the Municipal garage & Seagrave may have had a dispute at one time or another, but hey the 2 sides need to bury the hatchet. Seagrave makes a very quality truck and CFD needs to go back to them. If Seagraves survive for 10yrs. in NYC (with exception of terrorists acts) They can do it here. The tillers can still get to places the straight trucks can't. I saw it for myself on a trip to NYC a couple years ago, as a tour bus driver. Why isn't CFD buying anymore E-One apparatus? Anyone with a great answer let me know!
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Tillers
Mar 26, 2002 23:17:20 GMT -5
Post by George Bredestege on Mar 26, 2002 23:17:20 GMT -5
The fire department and municipal garage (Fleet Services) write specs for the apparatus that the city is prospective to purchase. The specs are put out to public bid. The lowest bidder gets the contract. Luverne bid lowest on the last specs. I believe most FDNY rearmounts have tandem rear axles, making them less manuverable than our current fleet of E-Ones. The one I work on can turn a 360 inside the turning circle of the Seagrave pumper we share quarters with.
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Tillers
Mar 27, 2002 18:04:46 GMT -5
Post by tony66@fuse.net on Mar 27, 2002 18:04:46 GMT -5
George, Seagrave still makes a Single rear axle aerial, although the truck is a quint it can still get around the streets of Covington(Truck co.7in Latonia)Cheviot, Lawrenceburg,IN all have pretty much the same unit. I do believe NYC used to have some of these trucks, they were city service aerials not quints though. I know when Chief Steidel started getting the E-One's aerials, supposedly he was getting a kickback for the money he was saving the city-cost of E-One aerial vs. a Seagrave aerial. Does the M/G have trouble getting parts from either of these manufacturers. My father didn't normally have a problem w/ Seagrave. He ordered the parts for Covington. Do you know my uncle? He is Dan McFarren from E-24. Mac retired in 96. The head animal from the old 32's on Rockdale Av. Where are you stationed at? I'm formerly a member of Highland Heights KY. FD, now the Central Campbell FD. My father though taught me most of what I know about the business. I just wish the city would try to stay uniform w/ the purchases of apparatus. As ya know, for a while we had Seagraves, Sutphens, E-Ones. I remember the city was involved in a lawsuit over the Sutphens. As far as the Luverne's go, if my trucks weren't built to my satisfaction and specs,I'd reject them too.
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Tillers
Jan 12, 2008 16:44:38 GMT -5
Post by Box_2565 on Jan 12, 2008 16:44:38 GMT -5
O.K., not that this will be a surprise to anyone that I would like to see this happen - but is there any chance that C.F.D. would buy a tractor-drawn ladder again? Yes I know they're more expensive, but I'm a dreamer....
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Tillers
Jan 12, 2008 22:22:16 GMT -5
Post by Command Seagrave on Jan 12, 2008 22:22:16 GMT -5
I would say it is safe to say they will not buy any again I know they will probably buy 4-6aerials in the next few years but none of them will be tillers. I think alot of the guys don't want them they just want straight truck.
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Tillers
Jan 13, 2008 8:24:27 GMT -5
Post by CincyFire on Jan 13, 2008 8:24:27 GMT -5
I dont think you can say that they wont buy any "again". I think if you want to see a change in apparatus, from all rear mount straight stricks to tillers and possibly a mid-mount tower (i.e. Baker/Seagrave or Pierce) then you'll just have to wait for a "changing of the guard" when it comes to administrative people and those who spec the apparatus. Right now it seems to be either a choice of what one person likes, or what they can afford at the moment. Hopefully someday soon someone will be in the position to take a step back and look at what the needs of the city are and purchase based on that. Not based on what type/manufacturer of apparatus they like, or which apparatus manufacturer gives them the most free stuff.
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Tillers
Jan 13, 2008 11:10:53 GMT -5
Post by Command Seagrave on Jan 13, 2008 11:10:53 GMT -5
I think its pretty safe to say the city and the majority of the the firefighters have no intrest in them there is probably only a handful of guys left that can wheel them anymore. I am sure there will be a changing of the guard at some point but by then it will be all straight sticks in the city thats what most of these guys have worked on and are comfortable on.
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Tillers
Jan 16, 2008 19:11:59 GMT -5
Post by CincyFire on Jan 16, 2008 19:11:59 GMT -5
And that in itself is part of the problem. Nothing against the senior guys around, Lord knows we need them, but we also need the new fresh ideas brought in by the new guys. Thats why I'm saying a changing of the guard as far as admin and the people who spec the apparatus might result in some different concepts down the road. Most of the people who have no interest in something else, as far as a tower or something of that nature, have no interest because they've never stepped back to look at the applications it could be put to use in. As far as being comfortable working off of a rear mount as opposed to a tiller, there's no difference in my experience. I've worked off of both and haven't had any differences in the way I've worked on them. The only difference comes in with the way it's driven and spotted for a fire and that is something that wouldn't take a while to get used to. If it were they certainly wouldn't have kept the tillers as spares to fill in for the rear mounts.
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Tillers
Jan 16, 2008 20:01:18 GMT -5
Post by Command Seagrave on Jan 16, 2008 20:01:18 GMT -5
I think there is only one tiller left and I would say you will see it on the aution in the next year I think that the only reason they hung on to them is because what else would they have used for a spare. The city is going to order another Seagrave rear mount. I would like to see them purchase a scope but as far as tillers I don't think so
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Tillers
Jan 16, 2008 22:28:04 GMT -5
Post by Bob on Jan 16, 2008 22:28:04 GMT -5
i dont see that last tiller being around too much longer because ,correct me if i am wrong but doesnt the cfd have 2 1994 ladders( former trucks 3 and 19) , 2 1995 ladder( former trucks 20 and 29) as spares, and when the new seagraves are put in service that would add a1996 ladder ( former truck 23) and 1998 ladder ( former Truck 14/29) and a 1999 Ladder (former truck 32)
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HCFD
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Tillers
Feb 10, 2008 0:59:02 GMT -5
Post by HCFD on Feb 10, 2008 0:59:02 GMT -5
Maybe you of you City FF's would know better, but wouldn't a few tillers and maybe if a tower ladder or 2 be a good idea for the city to purchase. Call me silly, but I just don't think that a city like Cincinnati can say that all rear mounts is the answer. Also why do the shops spec out portable 35 foot extension ladders with stay poles. I would think those truck companies would rather have a 24' (or 2), a 35', a 16' straight, a 20' straight, a 12' roof ladder, a 10' attic/folding ladder and a A-Frame type ladder. Can't someone from the CFD go to the shops and help convince them to spec out stuff a certain way?
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Tillers
Feb 11, 2008 14:08:12 GMT -5
Post by frfghtr89 on Feb 11, 2008 14:08:12 GMT -5
i think a tower or 2 would be a good idea too. beats the hell out of running hose up the ladders for master streams. at least the 3 new ladder trucks have ladder pipes on them for master stream applications.
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Tillers
Feb 21, 2008 23:37:23 GMT -5
Post by George Bredestege on Feb 21, 2008 23:37:23 GMT -5
32 truck, we have all those ladders on our trucks. The tower thing has never been an issue. We don't go defensive very often, and more people can climb down a straight stick than can be rescued three at a time with a bucket. But thanks for noticing
frfghtr89, we don't run the hose up the ladder, we run it out the ladder, then raise and extend, letting the ladder do the work, lastly, we charge the stream
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